JG 7, Fw Heinz Arnold

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sauber

als ergänzung:
https://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/105679

[Michael aus G]

Heute vor Ort gewesen. Auf dem Grabstein steht der 14.04.45. Da wird wohl noch ein Besuch im Pfarramt fällig.

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dann stimmt es …
wohl zumindest hier:

http://www.jagdgeschwader5und7.de/ofw-heinz-arnold/

und er war oberfeldwebel …

[U.R.]

Zitat von Michael aus G

Heute vor Ort gewesen. Auf dem Grabstein steht der 14.04.45. Da wird wohl noch ein Besuch im Pfarramt fällig.

Ist ja Toll, das es noch Grabstätten gibt, die nicht geplättet werden.

Bei uns hier werden Gräber nach 25 Jahren beseitigt.

[ghostwriter]

das tragische daran ist, …
dass arnolds eigentliche "Me 262 A-1a, die #500491",
den krieg und alles andere überstanden hat und im
museum in den staaten steht!?

When surrendered to the Allies on 8 May 1945, Me 262A-la wk/nr 500491, 'Yellow 7' had seven kill markings painted on the rear of its fuselage. This aircraft had been the personal mount of Ofw Heinz Arnold, who flew with 11./JG 7 from Brandenburg-Briest. On 3 March 1945 Arnold had opened his Me 262 kill-account with two aircraft destroyed- a P-47 and B-17, both near Genthin. Four days later over Wittenberg, he claimed a P51 Mustang. On 18 March, Arnold submitted claims for a pair of P51`s that had fallen to his cannon fire, followed by a single B17 on the19th and 21st. He claimed a further two B-17s on 22 and 24 March, Wk/nr 5000491 was unserviceable at Alt Loennewitz when, on 16 or 17 April, Arnold took a replacement Me 262A-lb into an action from which he failed to return. Ofw Heinz Arnold had been one of a very small, and highly select, group of pilots who had become an ace on both jet- and piston-engine aircraft during World War 2; he had earlier scored 42 victories with JG 5 over the Eastern Front, prior to scoring seven, or perhaps even nine, victories with Me 262A-la wk/nr 500491. Having scored all his jet kills over such a short period of time, it is likely that he would been awarded the Knight's Cross had he survived.

On 18 April wk/nr 500491 was flown from Alt Loennewitz to Saaz, whereupon it became the aircraft of Lt Muller, who flew it until the end of the war. Muller made the final Luftwaffe flight of wk/nr 500491 when he flew from Prague-Ruzyne to Lager Lechfeld on 8 May. He later said that he handed this aircraft over to Karl Baur, the former chief test pilot of experimental aircraft for Messerschmitt who, by this stage, was working for the USAAF, and leading the training of American aircrews on the new jets. However, M/Sgt Eugene Freiburger accepted the surrender of wk/nr 500491 and its pilot, Lt Muller.

At Lager-Lechfeld it was allocated Watson's Whizzers' number 888, and was initially christened 'Dennis' after Eugene Freiburger's son. When Col Watson's team of pilots arrived at Lechfeld, it was renamed Julie' and then 'Ginny H'. After leaving lager Lechfeld, wk/nr 500491 was flown to (Cherbourg, via Melun, by Lt James K Holt, before being shipped to the USA on HMS Reaper and ascribed Foreign Equipment No FE-III for use in USAAF trials. It was located firstly at Wright Field in August 1945, and then at Freeman Field the following month, before being transferred to No 803 Special Depot, Park Ridge, Illinois, during July 1946, and placed in storage. By 1950, wk/nr 500491 had been moved to the National Air and Space Museum's Silver Hill annex in Maryland. Restoration at the Paul E Garber Preservation Restoration and Storage Facility at this location commenced in 1978, and extensive corrosion in the nose was discovered. Over 6000 hours were consumed in the successful transformation of this aircraft back to it's original configuration, and it now resides in the National Air and Space Museum, in Washington DC.

http://www.stormbirds.com/schwalbe/s.../survivors.htm

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bildquelle:

Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile
ISBN 10: 0764302914
EAN: 9780764302916
Author: Sundin, Claes | Bergström, Christer
Publisher: Schiffer Publishing Ltd
Publication year: 1997

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Zitat von Michael aus G

Der Abschuß wird einem 1st Lt. James A. Steiger, 357th FG zugesprochen.

bisher konnte ich keine verbindung finden!?
welche quelle belegt das?

Zitat von Michael aus G

Da wird wohl noch ein Besuch im Pfarramt fällig.

zwischenzeitlich dazu gekommen?



interessantes recherchethema!!

und vielleicht schauen ja mal noch …
die kollegen borsto oder husar hier rein!?

[Michael aus G]

Zitat von ghostwriter

bisher konnte ich keine verbindung finden!?
welche quelle belegt das?

Ich hab bisher auch nur Sekundärquellen. Dort kommt auch die Ungereimtheit mit dem Abschußtag her. Bei Smith & Creek z.b. wird der 17.04.1945 für Arnold angegeben. Auf dem Grabstein steht aber der 14.04.1945.

Das wird noch etwas Recherchearbeit außerhalb des Internetes erfordern. Aber sagen wir mal so, ich habe eine Theorie wie das zustande gekommen sein könnte...

Zitat von ghostwriter

zwischenzeitlich dazu gekommen?

Ja, aber auf die Anfrage noch keine Antwort. Dafür habe ich den amtierenden Ortschronisten ausfindig machen können und gesprochen. Ich hoffe der findet was in seiner Chronik.

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danke

da scheint so einiges merkwürdig zu sein!?

Patzwall, K./Scherzer, V.: Das Deutsche Kreuz 1941-1945, Band II

bestätigt nicht mal das "dkig" vom 26.10.44



darin kommt arnold 12x vor:
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attach...62-pdf.229450/ (pdf - eng.)



ist aber auch nur sekundär zu sehen!?
und deutsche quellen sucht man im netz vergeblich …

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paah,
irgendwie hab ich mich mehr mit
arnold statt mit steiger beschäftigt:

Flight Officer James Steiger from 364 Squadron was the only one to score on this day. As can be seen by his encounter report, he got a very close-up look at an Me262.

"I was flying Greenhouse blue four when we sighted an Me262 going 180 degrees to the bomber stream. We turned into the e/a as he turned into the bombers. The flight spread out and gave chase and I was on the extreme left. the e/a flew over Prague and I passed north of the town. At this time I sighted another 262 at 6,000 feet going to a northerly direction east of Prague. I tried to turn into the 262 but he turned inside me. I then pulled up into a wingover and rolled over onto his tail. As I closed I began firing at approximately 600 yards and continued right on up till approximately 15 yards away. At this time the e/a fell off on its left wing and dove straight into the ground and exploded."

Steiger, who had exhibited exceptional alertness considering this was only his second combat mission, was to score no more victories in WWII, but he had joined an exclusive club with his one victory.